breaking news tonight, lievgs north carolina. a 5-year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa. 5:30 a.m. one hour later, the baby is gone. how does a 5-year-old girl go missing from her own sofa? the child wearing nothing but a t-shirt and underwear, her little blanket, shaniya's favorite blanket found, discarded. covered in feces in the neighbor's trash.

bombshell tonight, an arrest goes down. who else? the mother's boyfriend. that's right, the live-in. but even with an arrest, still no sign of shaniya. cops still don't know whether she's dead or alive or where she is. a tipster spots the boyfriend driving away with the 5-year-old. time line, critical. that time line will reveal whether mommy's covering for the live-in. this after a neighbor tells us she hears loud banging 3:00 a.m. that was the same morning shaniya goes missing. tonight, where is 5-year-old shaniya? >> are you clarence d. coe. >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why here sir? >> no, but i'm not guilty. >> police have arrested a suspect in the disappearance of a 5-year-old, shaniya davis.

though, still no sign of her. fleece fayetteville, north carolina, say they took clarence coe into custody. he's charged with first degree kidnapping. >> sir, the state of north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th, 2009 that you did commit the felony of first degree kidnapping of shaniya davis and terrorizing antoinette davis, do you understand that? >> i understand. >> sir, i must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a "c" class-z felony you could get 261 months in prison. do you understand that? and tonight, live to oregon in the disappearance of a gorgeous young satellite tv sales woman. mother of two.

jayme sue aust pichb she calls her mom to say her water is on the blink. fine. noon, the workplace calls. mom to ask, where's jayme? she never made it to work. mom races home to find daughter's car still in the driveway. the shower used. signs in the bathroom of a struggle. tonight, we learn clues uncovered in the home. jayme's mother with us live. the tonight, where is 31-year-old jayme sue austin? >> stunning details emerge in the search of missing mother of two say nehme sue austin. many potential cluse left behind in her bathroom. a wet rug and freshly vac umd floor. >> the i called another friend. he called me back just a few

minutes later and said her car was in my driveway. someone had been in my bathroom. the sheriff's office. because of what the bathroom looked like they've listed it as suspicious you know as a crime. >> perhaps most disturbing, a necklace jayme really like found broken insisted vac pumher mom says jayme wouldn't have thrown the necklace away. she would have given to her mom to fix instead. investigators expanding their search trying to find jayme in the crucial 72-hour time window. how does someone take a shower just disappear? >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, north carolina. a 5-year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. now, mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa. 5:30 a.m. why? why do you leave your child alone on a sofa 5:30 a.m.? one hour later, the baby gone. a 5-year-old goes missing from her own sofa? little shaniya's favorite

blanket covered in feces found discarded in the neighbor's trash. bombshell tonight, an arrest goes down. but we still don't know where shaniya is or even if she's dead or alive. >> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court appointed lawyer. >> you have already completed an affidavit, sir. i have reviewed the affidavit and it appears that you're eligible for a court-appointed attorney. and i'm going to appoint a member of the public defender staff to represent you. do you understand what i'm doing, sir? >> yeah. >> do you have a public defender helping you on any other matter in this county at the present time, sir. >> no, i don't have any other charges. >> fleece theyetville, north carolina, have made an arrest in the disappearance of a 5-year-old little girl. little shaniya davis reported

missing tuesday morning from her mobile home. well, now witnesses tell police her mom's boyfriend, clarence coe, was seen driving off with her. the 30-year-old is charged with first-degree kidnapping, but again, still no sign of little shaniya. >> you have an additional right and that is the right to remain silent. do you understand that, sir? >> yes, i do. >> this concludes your first appearance. your new court date is december 2nd. do you have any questions? >> no, i don't. >> did you see him rolling his eyes in court? just a couple of hours ago? he's charged, formally charged with a kidnap of this 5-year-old little girl, shaniya. and he rolls his eyes, and says he doesn't have a question? well, i got some questions for him, but tonight i'm going to have to settle for ken smith, reporter with wral, joining us

there on the scene in fayetteville, north carolina. ken, tell me the latest. >> well, here's what we know. 30-year-old clarence coe, he's got a record. he has a sorted past dating back eight years. he apparently a few years ago already served time in jail for -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. wait a minute. i'm very interested in his resume, ken, but can you start with this little girl, for pete's sake, please. what can you tell me? >> yeah. >> i mean, he gets arrested and we still don't know if she's dead or alive? >> absolutely. and this disappearance of this little girl has just devastated this community. we've talked to neighbors today. they cannot believe that this could thon this 5-year-old little girl. they're aparentally not get anything information out of clarence coe. they're reinterviewing witnesses out of that mobile home park. now that coe is behind bars. they're hoping that people will start coming up out with information that they were not willing to share initially. they're going back now to

interview those people, because now that he's in jail, they're thinking, well, maybe they will give up some of that information, nancy. >> joining us gern al scott. they arrest the guy, to my understanding, based on a report from somebody in that area, somebody in that residential area neighborhood that saw him leaving in his car with the girl. one question gern all scott, yes, no? do we know what time they placed the child in the car with the defendant? >> caller: the answer to that as far as police are saying, they're not giving up that information. so, no, we do to the know exactly what time that. >> so the answer is, no. and you know where i'm going with that, marlaina schiavo. if somebody could tell me the time that they see this man right there on the screen with

this little girl in his car, then i will know if mommy is lying because mommy says to police, i put the baby on the sofa at 5:30 a.m. why she left the child unattended, i don't know. at 6:30 a.m. she says she notices the child is gone. so unless he had the child between 5:30 and 6:30, then mommy's time line is way out of whack, marlaina schiavio. >> that's right, nancy. and what we're trying to find out from police is who saw these two in the and where was shaniya in this car? and police said about the mother, they have not cleared her, nancy. so they are asking her about this time line. they're trying to figure out exactly when they were driving out of the mobile park community. >> got it. i want to go to special guest joining us tonight barbara davenport. she is the park manager who rented the home to shaniya's

family. mr. davenport, thank you for being with us. >> caller: hi. good to be here. >> what can you tell us about this clarence coe, the suspect in the disappearance of little shaniya? >> caller: i had very little contact with mr. coe other than two instances where i had to tell him to stay off of the property and during the second instance he became very confrontational and when he got out of his vehicle, i thought he was going to assault me. >> ms. davenport, why were you telling him to stay off the property? i'm very intrigued with that. >> caller: because he came in violating the park rules. and when i told him he was violating the park rules and to please not do it again, he became rude and disrespectful and blige rent so at that point i said, fine, if that's how you want to be, i do not want you this property again. >> what was he doing to break

the rules? >> caller: and that's fine with me piwon't come back. >> ms. davenport, what was he doing to break the rules? >> caller: he was playing his car stereo very loud. >> just what you don't want to hear when you get home from work is somebody with their boom box playing outside. >> caller: boom, boom, boom, vibrating your walls, yes. >> but obviously he did get back in. how often did he stay in the home with shaniya davis and her mother? >> caller: now that i have no idea. i only encountered him one time after that. and that was when the confrontation got kind of ugly. and i did call the police. >> are you clarence d. coe? >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first-degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why you're here today, sir. >> no, but i'm not guilty, sir. >> sir the state of north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th,

2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of shaniya davis and terrorizing.

shaniya davis was kidnapped from this mobile home at sleepy hollow drive in fayetteville. police believe this man, clarence coe is the one who did it. >> are you clarence d. coe? >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first-degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance.

do you understand why you're here today, sir? >> no, but i'm not guilty, sir. that's all i got say about that. >> investigators say a witness saw coe driving off with the girl. they don't think this was a random act but won't give any insight as to how coe knight victim or the family. >> we're dealing with, i guess, getting very differing stories constantly. so we're trying to piece together the truth of the situation and what was going on at the time. >> the girl's mother previously told police she put shaniya on the couch in their mobile home at around 5:00 on tuesday morning. an hour later she said the girl was gone. but a neighbor tells wral, two hours earlier at around 3:00, someone placed the little girl's blanket in her garbage can. >> from what i was told that there was feces spread all over that porch and rail over at the little girl's house. and this blanket was covered in feces. >> while authorities work toward the truth, one fact remains, shaniya davis is missing.

>> straight back out to ken smith with wral. he was in court today. what happened? >> i'll tell you what, coe walked into court. he was rolling his eyes. showed no emotion. when the judge asked him if he understood the charges he was facing, he initially said, no, i'm not guilty, and that's all i have to say about it. but of course once he said that the judge laid out charges for him. he's facing charges of kidnapping and for terrorizing antoinette davis which is shaniya's mom and she's somebody that investigators are paying attention to because investigators are telling us that over the last several days she's given them conflicting reports about how her little girl went missing, nancy. >> wait, wait. back it up. ken smith, the mother's changed herpstory? >> absolutely. initially she told investigators that she put the child on the couch at 5:00 a.m., an hour later the child was gone.

witnesses telling police tonight that at 3:00 a.m., she heard a wrestling in her garbage can and that's where they found that blanket that's now into evidence. so for the last several days investigators have been talking with antoinette davis, and still not getting any information so they're trying to sort through her different stories and all of the tips and leads that they're getting to hopefully get to the truth, nancy. >> right, of course they are. out to dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers." she's joining us from l.a. bethany, take a listen to this. >> karen, are you ever surprised, i always lost no matter how many times it happened, i'm trying to remember one time a mother sided with the dead or molested or abused child over the husband or boyfriend and i'm not remembering out of ten years of felony prosecution a single time the mother sided

with the child. >> well, nancy, i think you're right about that. >> out to bethany, why? why? i'm hearing from ken smith, reports that the mother has changed her story several times about the disappearance of her 5-year-old girl. everybody, look at this girl. look at her. look at shaniya. 3 feet, 40 pounds. beautiful, brown eyes, brown hair. thin build. she was wearing a blue sleep t-shirt and pink underwear. no shoes. the little thing didn't even have any shoes. the tip line is 910-433-1856. $100,000 reward. when i think of little lucy or little john david out there with no shoes on, a t-shirt and an underwear, what do you make of this mother? >> nancy, she knew that her boyfriend had a criminal history. he was once in jail and she allowed this perpetrator into her home with her children.

i believe that it's either a possibility she was more attached to him than her own children. nancy, there's a possibility that she and her boyfriend beat the little girl and because of traumatic abuse that's why there's feces all over the blanket and all over the back porch and she solicited the boyfriend to take the little girl away because the little girl was dead. >> as of tonight the mother is not charged. just this man, clarence darrell coe. we'll be back with marc klaas. >> what do you want to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed attorney. >> you have already completed an affidavit, sir. i have reviewed the affidavit. and it appears that you're eligible for a court-appointed attorney. and i'm going to appoint a member of the public defender's staff to represent you. do you understand what i'm

doing, sir. >> yup.

you have an additional right, and that is the right to remain silent. do you understand that, sir? >> yes, i do. >> you should not speak about the facts of this case with anyone unless it is an attorney who is properly representing you. >> i know. >> if you speak with anyone else, sir, it'll be used against you in a court of law. you do not want to talk with anybody about this unless it is your attorney. do you understand your rights including your right to remain silent? >> yes, i do. >> all right, sir. this concludes your first appearance. your new court date is december

2nd. do you have any questions. >> no, i don't. >> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed lawyer. >> i guess you are getting a court-appointed lawyer and i've got to pay for it. unleash the lawyers. john burris, defense attorney renowned in the san francisco area and throughout. and paul bautista. a veteran trial lawyer. defense attorney in the new york jurisdiction. author of "death's witness." good evening, gentlemen. first to you, burris. yeah, i'm paying the bill, for him. and while he's getting two hots in a cot tonight his breakfast is cold. he's not even telling police where the little girl is, john burris? now if you were his defense attorney, would you advise him to tell where the child is? ah if he's not telling, that means one thing to me, she's dead. >> well, it doesn't necessarily

mean that at all. right now he's been charged and so the first thing we have do is figure out what happened. what his story is. i wouldn't advise him to talk to the police at all until after i've had a real thorough conversation with him about what he knows and doesn't know. right now the evidence, probably isn't all that great against him. it seems to me he ought to -- >> yeah, there's only an eyewitnessing into the him leaving that morning. >> you don't know how good that eyewitness is. you don't than yet. that person hasn't been tested. we don't know what time this was seen yet. >> you are right, paul bautista. i guess that you and burris would attack the witness on the stand. >> of course. >> you didn't have your glasses on? but forget that. what i want to does you is knowing that he may very well know where the child is or where her body is, you would advise him not to speak to police. yes, no, bautista? of. >> course. he's a dpll a defendant case. a judge's told him he's exposed to 240 years in jail. do you think he's going to tell you anything? of course not. it's his right to remain silent, nancy.

>> we're treating this as she's endangered, she was abducted. we're taking of the utmost importance and seriousness. so we're aggressively look for her.

are you clarence d. coe? >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first-degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why you're here today, sir? >> no but i'm not guilty, sir. that's all that i have to say about that. >> sir, the state of the north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th, 2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree

kidnapping of shaniya davis and terrorizing antoinette davis. do you understand that? >> i understand. >> sir, i must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a "c," class-c felony. you think get 261 months in prison. do you understand that? >> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed lawyer. >> straight out to marc klaas, the president and founder of klaas kids. marc, it's not look good and the fact that he is under arrest, having last been seens with the little girl, don't know when. i cannot get a time line out of police when that neighbor saw him driving off in his own car with her. we still don't know if she's dead or alive or where she is. that does not bode well.

>> well no, it doesn't bode well and i don't think that tell this character not to say anything. i don't think that he intends to speak one word to anybody about this case. the weak link is obviously the mother. what exactly are these conflicting stories of hers? how exactly is it that she puts the little girl down at 5:00 in a house full -- with six other people. and five other people. and is able to fall asleep to the point that she doesn't notice somebody else, comes in, gets the little girl within the next hour. none of this stuff makes sense. if they're going to break this case, she's probably the weak link and the one that they're going to use to break it. >> liz, let's show the shots. the new shots that we have of little shaniya. the tip line, everyone, 910-433-1856. there is a chance this child is still alive. take a look. straight out to bethany marshall. bethany, explain to me your thoughts on the mom. now, i think that klaas is

correct. they're not going to crack coe behind bars. >> no. >> this is not his first time around the block. he's been behind bars on several occasions. he knows not to talk. she's not the same. if i were the cops, i would be honing in on her to crack her. >> i agree. because like most women who allow men to abuse their children, her primary loyalty is going to be the abuser. was their history domestic abuse in this household? the neighborhood it's neighbor heard a huge commotion around 3:00 in the morning. the mother and the boyfriend arguing and the little girl got caught up in the fight. was he abuse the little girl and he tried stop her? was there ritualistic abuse being performed against the child and then they had to get rid of her. >> i want to go out to dr. levonne oker at the university of maryland, school of medicine. dr. von occer, thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> doctor, this is not a pleasant question, but we do know her favorite blanket was

found crammed in the neighbor's dumpster covered in feces. now obviously there may be a way to identify bodily fluids and determine if it is from shaniya burks my question to you is, assuming the child is potty trained, what would make her poop like that? would it be from -- could it be from an intense beating or from some type of an abuse? >> speculating it possibly could be from a beating. was it from sexual abuse? or did she just have an accident and they used her favorite blanket as a form of punishment and then maybe beat her too badly. i mean it's really hard to say. >> well, you know, you brought up a good point. dr. vinokur. i will give the mom at benefit of the doubt. if she had been lying there on

the sofa, maybe she was lying on her favorite -- or with her favorite blanket and had an accident. so maybe that is the best it's most innocent explanation that i could come up for that. >> true. but even in those instances if a situation of either domestic violence or child abuse, sometime when a child has an accident, the abuser just goes into a rage and you know possibly harms the child too violently but it's hard to speculate without much evidence right now. >> back to ken smith, with wral. ken, what can you tell me about alleged, conflicting statements by the mommy? give it to me in a nutshell. >> i'll tell you what, she's saying that she put the child down at 5:00 a.m. and an hour later, she -- the child disappeared. investigators aren't saying what those conflicting stories are just they are conflicting and they're trying to gets to the

truth. >> gurnal scott, what do you know? >> caller: well, you have to look at the time line. you heard the commotion at about 3:00 a.m. the child was put on the couch at 5:30 a.m. none of us know what happened in that time frame in between. so they're looking at these stories and trying to make it fit together so they can actually find out what happened to this little girl. >> to bill majewski. former nypd detective. now at majewski associates inc. what do you advise cops to do right now. >> the key is this witness who saw him walk away with the child. what was the condition of the child -- >> drive away. drive away. >> drive away. what was the condition the child when he drove away? was the child awake? was he carryings child? was the child wrapped up in the blanket? and the key is this blanket was thro thrown away. they got rid of that blanket because that blanket had some kind of evidence on it that could attach a crime to those two people and that's why their blanket was thrown away. >> majewski, you are so correct.

and in all of the times i've washed the twins' clothes, their blankets, their sheets very often in the middle of the night never think of throwing them away. i wash them. you are so correct, bill majewski. back to you, marlaina schiavo. what more can you tell me? you've been in touch with police all day. >> i have and what they're telling us right now, nancy, is they're going over -- they're reinterviewing a lot of people that they have spoken to, going over areas that they've already searched and this surveillance video from the mobile home park. they're still going through all of the footage and they're concentrating on that morning, specifically, of you know the time line of when the video caught people walking around. >> right. everyone, tip line, 910-433-1856. we'll all be right back. but tonight, the n.g. family album. now, here are some our photos. our favorites. these are the twins, lucy and john david, after their birth. there's lucy in the laundry basket and little john david on my side of the bed all propped

up for a photo. now photos from friends. here's 3-year-old pennsylvania twins, brianna brooklyn hugging in their pink pjs at bedtime and kansas friends of the show, the hardings. jordan, susie. casey. doggy dog, nell. and their favorite pumpkin patch.

jayme always punctual to work. she called her job to tell them she'd be running a few minutes late because she couldn't get water at her house. she called her mother just a few days down and asked to use her shower but jayme never nadto work and is never heard from again. >> as frantic search for missing mom jayme sue austin emerges. mom cindy gis holt. >> caller: someone had taken a shower. counter was wet. the counter on the other side of the room.

it was quite wet, yes. >> jayme's prized poocha shell necklace, inside of the canister of a vacuum. what happened? >> i suspect something's up. i don't know. is this too unusual for her. >> investigators continue to question scores of witnesses as the search by land, air and water continues. >> i will go to my reporters in just a moment but first jayme's mother. jayme sue austin, age 31. a beautiful mother of two. her mom is with us. this girliterally vanishes out of the shower. with us tonight, special guest, the mother, jayme sue's mother, ms. sycindy grisholt. your daughter calls you earlier in the morning. she never misses work. she's a satellite tv sales lady. says my water is on the blink. can i go down the street take a

shower at your place? you go, sure. you're already gone. then her place of business calls you around noon and says, where is she? then you go looking for her. you know something's wrong. and then you get a phone call. you're out looking up and down roadways that her car is parked at your house. what are police telling you that you can share with us? i know you've been extremely tight-lipped and i understand but what can you share with us, anything? >> caller: you know i really don't have anything to update to date that i didn't let you guys know about yesterday. everyone's still out searching. you know your show has been tremendous to get the word out. you know the newspapers, word of mouth, friends and family. just getting the word out that she's missing. we've got posters -- >> well, i just don't understand it, ms. gishold. what time did you least home that morning? >> caller: 7:00. >> so you leave the home 7:00.

what time did she call you? >> caller: you know i think it was probably around -- it was between 8:00 and 8:30. you know maybe 8:15. i'm notes. >> now at her job, did she go door-to-door? did she serve people that came into the office? did she make cold calls on the phone? what was the nature of her business? >> no she was strictly inside sales. >> okay. so she dealt with sales there in the office. all right, i'm just trying to think. so she went to work typically at what time, ms. gisholt? >> caller: she worked different hours at different times, days of the week. but normally i think 9:00 to 6:00. >> okay. so she calls you. wakes up. her water's not working. she calls you. you were there at 7:00. everything was fine. she was alive and well, 8:00 to 8:30. coming to your place. and then all of a sudden by noon she's gone. i want topg to stacey newman.

stacey, ms. gisholt, understandably, is not sharing everything that she knows from police. but stacey, what have you learned from your sources? what have we learned about clues inside the home, stacey? >> well, we told you last night that there were signs a struggle in that bathroom. that obviously was wet. now heres what we're hearing now. >> wait. no, no, nobody told me obviously, wet. don't just jump ahead. what do you mean, obviously wet? >> well, we reported last night that the shower had been used. >> right, that's not the bathroom. you happe you said the bathroom's wet. >> and the carpet is soaked as well. >> put newman back up there. you are telling me the carpet is wet. that tells me that the water came out of the shower for i don't even know for how long. because if the carpet's still wet at 12:00 noon, that's not just her stepping outs of the shower, wet from the shower, all right? that is the water coming down on the carpet which she would not

have done at her mother's bathroom. what else, stacey? the carpet's wet? >> the carpet's wet. also a throw rug was folded on the counter. we also have learned as well the bathroom was completely vacuumed. and in the vacuum canister, jayme's favorite shell necklace. alarming clues, nancy. >> now, her necklace, why do you say it was her favorite necklace? >> well, this was a necklace that she wore so many times and even when it would fall apart a puka shell necklace. >> right the little white shells? >> correct. when it would fall apart she would ask her mom to restring it that's how much she loved this necklace. why was it in pieces on the floor at some point it had been vacuumed. that is also an alarming clue, nancy. >> okay, this is what's disturbing me, marc klaas, right now in addition to everything, marc klaas, president and founder of classkids foundation. his expertise is missing people.

marc. >> yes. >> everyone who vacuumed up that sopping wet carpet in the bathroom felt there was no rush. they had plenty of time to vacuum, to clean up, to fold up the rug and put it away. now we know she, the victim, would not have vacuumed up her own necklace. she would not have done that. she would have put it back together like she did every other time. so the perpetrator obviously felt that he had time to clean up after himself. he was in no danger of anybody coming home. now who would know that, marc klaas? who would know that. >> someone who is familiar with the routines of the home is somebody who would know that. first i would like to tell cindy to stay strong because she's going to be jayme's strongest advocate throughout this and needs to continue to take care of herself so she can see this thing through to the end. i am really kind of stuck on this scenario that was built out last night about the stalker. that somebody was so obsessed with this young lady that he would go in multiple times and change the settings on her

social networking accounts and that this was something that really concerned her because this kind of obsession can become very dangerous and it can become very deadly. i really believe that probably the least likely scenario, because it's such a remote location, would be the out-of-town stranger. again, this is one that is probably very close to home. and if they can't find her in the immediate area, perhaps they're able to pick up a tire print and follow that to wherever she may end up -- may end up being. >> to the lawyer, john burris, paul bautista. it seems to me to be an easy thing to backtrack and fine out who is calling her. >> you would think so. i'm like marc though. i think this is someone who knew her, knew her routine. had some real interest in her. you cannot go to some one house and vacuum it up unless you know something. >> a tiny, a tiny crease in

that. this wasn't her home and this wasn't her routine. >> but -- >> she didn't go and take a shower at her mother's house every morning. >> knew something about her. that's what i am saying. >> what about it, bautista. >> clearly someone she knew, someone close to home. someone who would even know her mother's habits. listen in the same community. marc is absolutely right on this issue. >> bethany? i've got beth and marshall with me. >> you stalkers can stop complete strangers sometimes. somebody they have seen in the store, in the grocery store and they have developed and it's obsessive fixiation on them. the m.o. of stalking is to go after the victim to undo the perception perception. she locked him out. she changed her cell phone. that could be the moment of rejection. so what does he do? he changes the mode of stalking and he starts surveilling her home. he knows her comings and goings. en what she goes to her mother's house she's in a vulnerable

position and he strikes. >> to cindy gisholt, this is jayme sue austin's mother. ms. gisholt, when this guy, we think it's a guy, right, would call her and call her and call suggestion as to who it was? >> no. no. you know, how serious it is, i hear you people talking, but to her it was like, geez, i have a stalker. she didn't take it seriously. >> i would take it serious when somebody hacked into my e-mail account for the second. >> that's when she did start taking it serious. >> i think i have reported pretty much anything that i have uncovered in today's story, the necklace, the folded towels, the wet carpet, the cell phone left behind, she left her dog and her cat locked in her bedroom. had the cell phone with her.

cindy has told me that she tried to call the cell phone and it goes right to voicemail which tells cindy that it's auf. they're searching burn mountain which i believe is 50 miles west of fairview. >> did you say burnt mountain? >> yes.

stunning details emerge in the search for missing mother jamie sue austin. the throw rug folded on the counter. investigators expapding their search trying to find jaymie. >> do we have any idea who police have questioned? >> we don't have specific names, but i know they are zeroing in on people who were close to her. the car in the driveway was found with the window down, there were car keys on the floor as well, nancy, so again,

something must have terribly gone wrong. >> another question, about her boyfriend, have we confirmed that he is in fact overseas right now with his job? >> that is what we're hearing, cops are not coming out and completely confirming that, but that's what we're confirming, it has been confirmed that she's in alaska. >> ms. gisholt, that's right? >> he is overseas with his job? >> and i confirmed it with his employer. >> marc klaas, that has got to be somebody that knows her very well and followed her that morning. this is not just somebody that was hanging around the mom's house and this is a random act. >> i find it difficult how this

character could have attacked her in the bathroom as it seems happened and then get her outside without a huge struggle ensuing. it's very difficult to control an individual that doesn't want to be controlled. particularly an adult individual. >> tip line, 541-396-3121, extension 371. a university of nebraska lincoln grad awarded the bronze star, purple heart. he was dedicated, loved hunting, fishing, and time with friends. he leaves behichbds his mom and dad and sisters. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us and a special thank you to

frentd of the show laurie for these beautiful pajamas for the twins and thank you to tennessee and south carolina friends of the show who are with us for mr. snitzel's cookies books and all the berenstain bears books. i'll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp. until then, friend.

tonight on the joy behar show, first carrie prejean walks off larry king and then she wants me to apologize for laughing. what's she going to do next? plus, shopaholics, is it a real addiction or just a case of wanting what you can't afford? we'll talk about it. all that and more starts now.

christmas is coming and sarah palin is back. oprah sat down with sarah palin. oprah released clips, listen to oprah ask her about the infamous katie couric interview. >> did you think that was a single defining moment for you. >> i did not and neither did the campaign. and that is why segment two and three and four and five were scheduled, the campaign was saying right on, this is what america needs to see, it was a good interview. i was thinking if you thought that was a good interview, i don't know what a bad interview was because i knew it wasn't a good editor. >> sarah bernard and brian balatazar.

did you see the katie couric interview she did? >> yes, i did. >> katie did what she was supposed to do and i don't say that just because i work at cbs. she did follow a lot, it was like journalism 101, it's sad that that's seen as somehow extraordinary. she did a great job, but it's par for the course. >> why was it seen as extraordinary. >> she wouldn't answer what kind of newspapers do you read. and it's okay if it's "highlights jshsz for children. it was a question that was somehow beneath her. and that's what ended up biting her. >> i think it's interesting because people who were in the audience of the oprah taping she, sarah palin said she might be interested in hosting a talk show. i thought that was the most interesting news to come out of

that. that's going to be christmas for a long time. >> i better watch my schedule. >> i thought that sarah in that clip was brilliant that we just saw because she was doing an amazing impression of tina fey doing an impression of sarah palin. her hair is very pretty. >> oprah also asked palin about her pseudo son-in-law. >> one question, will he be invited to thanksgiving dinner? >> it's lovely that he would even consider such a thing because he is a part of the family and you want to bring him in the fold and bring him under your wing. he needs to know that he is loved and he has the most beautiful child and this can all work out for good, it really can. we don't have to keep going down this road of controversy and

drama all the time. we're more productive, we have other things to concentrate on. >> yes, sir he is coming or no, he's not? >> oprah, do you believe her, because levy johnston says that the little baby trig, she refers to him as my little retarded baby, which could be an affe affectionate way to address her baby. but palin's response to that was consider the source of the most recent attention getting lies. she says those who would sell their body for money, meaning levy reflect a desperate need for attention and are likely to say and do anything for even more attention. why is she playing nicy nice right now? doesn't she really want to kill him? >> if he is going, he's

definitely sitting at the kids' table. you have to take the high road on oprah because she will call you out. levi is not a reputable source on any of this. last night on "the insider" they did a poll who would be the better catch, jon gosselin or levy johnston. >> i would definitely go with levi. >> because he wouldn't have to take care of eight kids. >> and the other one's a rage holic. >> i just love the idea of that family and being at that thanksgiving. i feel like, you know, it's better for sarah palin, better for her to sell books right now, because let's face it all that she's doing is to act like that family might actually get back together. >> she's only going to what she calls the real america. isn't brooklyn, new york, the real america? >> she didn't actually write it, she just put together a series

of mad libs so running for vice president was neat, that kind of thing. >> what do you think is mortal leapted, palin or oprah? >> this is the nonaggression pact of 2009, these two ladies are going to redraw the map of the world. it's terrifying, come on. >> let's move on, carrie prejean has admitted to having a solo sex tape. tmz says that's why she dropped her lawsuit against the pageant. >> larry: in mediation it was discussed why you were mediating? >> larry, it's completely confidential and you're being inappropriate. >> larry: okay. inappropriate king live continues. >> she calls larry inappropriate, isn't it more inappropriate to make a tape of yourself masturbating and sends it to your boyfriend?

the word is weird, isn't it? >> i think let's face it, though, again, she has something to sell, just like sarah palin, we would not be talking about her. i think what she did actually was kind of brilliant in a way, if you flip inaround. she's actually got everybody paying attention. if she just sat there and did a regular interview with larry king we would not be talking about her. >> we're only interested in carrie now, it's true. >> it seems like she went to the kanye west school of media training. customarily when you say you're going to walk off, you actually get up and walk off. the one thing she did right was if you're going to do a sex tape, do it in your 20s. >> she claims she was 17 in the

tape, but tmz talked to the ex-boyfriend and listen to what he said. >> there was numerous, i would say probably about 15, 20 videos that she sent? >> and they were all explicit videos? >> yes, very much. >> how old was she? >> she was 19 when i was out there. the videos poured in all the way up to just shy of, oh, gosh, she had to be in her 21. >> this was a lapse? judgment is when you give yourself a bad hair cut. she has a cottage industry of tapes. >> 25 more and she could go into syndication. >> we should explain why it's important that she was 20 and not 17. because if she were actually 17, i guess it would be illegal probably for people to trade it. >> can we use the l-word?

is she lying? the l-word, they don't like to say lie, they say it's a falsehood. but is that christian of her to lie? >> she was bearing false witness. is that one of the ten commandments, though? >> thou shall not attack your neighbor. >> there's a bit of coveting going on. seriously, you cannot make a sex tape and have a platform on any moral issue. >> there you hit on the exact reason that everybody's turning on her and the same with sarah palin, with her kids, she's talking about abstinence and then she's tracking the daughter around with the big belly. so that's the reason why they go after them. and they always play the victim card. >> you open yourself up to voice against it, you open yourself up to it. she thinks she can say anything

she wants and she's not going to -- >> she wants to keep jesus warm, that's okay. >> i think the funniest thing about that interview is how it was almost like she was having a fight and she was telling larry to calm down and he was perfectly calm, she just kept saying calm down, you're being inappropriate, which totally made him seem more calm. >> when she was on this show, she turned on me. and on this show, we had a moment where a comedian made a joke and we all laughed and she wants an apology from me because i laughed. i such port the comedian, i laughed. >> do you remember "dead man walking"? >> that's like my ex-husband. prejean keeps saying she's being

palinized. >> there's this double standard that conservative women are fair game to be attacked and it's not right and it needs to stop. >> larry: doesn't the conservative media tear down liberal media? hillary clinton is a bitch and a liar. laura ingram recently accused nancy pelosi of having done everything but sell her own bode to get the health bill passed. >> that was called a larry king smackdown. she thinks that this is a one-way street, poor me and too bad about the rest of them, right? >> did laura ingram actually accuse nancy pelosi of whoreing herself? >> did larry king actually say bitch? >> it's very inappropriate. >> and she backed out of a gop

speaking event in d.c. by the way. >> i think that was exactly the wrong thing to do. i'm telling you this is brilliant. this is only helping her. if she would have just gone there, she would have got on a lot more attention. >> quick programming note, the donald responds to carrie's tantrum. "showbiz tonight" at 11:00. when we come back, the latest in the david letterman extortion tape.

the lawyer for the man who

allegedly tried to extort $2 million from david letterman says joe holderman wasn't trying to blackmail david. jerald, explain exactly how this screen play defense works. >> i think it diminishes it when you call it the screen play defense. there was a time when william randolph hurst learned about citizen cane the movie and didn't want it published in the worst way and he went ahead and he offered millions of dollars to see that "citizen cane" not be released. as we all know it was released. just this week, there are three cases in the news where confidentiality agreements were at the core of the issue. where someone wanted to pay to have something not published, not made public. that's all that happened here.

j joe. >> why would your client go to him at 6:00 in the morning. it's kind of a little bit weird, it's very godfatherish to show up at 6:00 a.m. with the screen play. >> can i say this. >> yeah. >> the fact that see many people are relying on 6:00 in the morning delivery of the package is kind of ridiculous. first of all, it's easily explained. they both went to work at 6:00 in the morning, number one, number two. joe halderman knew that was the best driver. showing up at david letterman's apartment at 9:00 p.m. or any other time would not have fixed it. >> why did he say in the letter he sent him, your world is going to collapse. that's not exactly friendly at any hour of the morning. >> there's no requirement in a

commercial transaction that people be friendly. >> it's beyond friendly, it's threatening. >> it's not threatening, it is a reality, it was a reality, number one, and number two, he had the absolute right to go to letterman with this intellectual property and offer him the right of first refusal. if you want the tapes or communications in later meetings, joe halderman made it crystal clear, he said to him, clearly, it's your option, you don't have to take that, that doesn't sound threatening to me. if you heard the tapes and you will hear the tapes one day. when you hear the tapes at a trial. >> let me ask you something. on letterman's attorney doesn't buy what u year saying at all. let's listen to what he said on abc's "good morning america." >> who negotiates a business transaction at 6:00 in the morning in the shadows of somebody's apartment building? who says your world's about to

collapse? who threatens their personal and professional lives and who says it's 6:00 in the morning i need an answer in two hours. those are not the earmarks of a legitimate transaction, those are the earmarks of classic blackmail. >> what do you say to that? >> the fact that in about 20 seconds he had to mention 6:00 in the morning twice and if that's what the prosecution's proof is, they're going to be laughed out of court. they have's what they're going to put before the jury, statements like in the dark shadows of night. first of all it was still daylight-saving time so i don't know if it was dark. but in the dark shadows of night, he will be laughed out of court. >> i'm just here to ask you some questions. >> objectively. >> i have to ask you a question, you're doing a lot of talk

shows, doesn't that taint the jury a little bit when you do go to trial? the fact that you're on the talk shows talking? how will you get a real jury to -- >> to be fair and impartial? >> there you go. to be fair and balanced. that's the other station. >> a fair departure. here's the answer. first of all, when this case goes to trial, it's not going to be for six, seven, eight, nine, ten months from now, second of all, i have the right because the press will be all over this asking questions like you're asking, assuming he's guilty when he's not. and i have the right to level the playing field. you asked the question and i'm going to give you the answer. but the better question is why does david letterman have a team of lawyers tracking me around. >> david is not on trial for committing a crime, your client is.

david is not on trial. >> why did he engage a criminal defense lawyer? is he expecting trouble? >> i don't think that david committed the crime. your client committed the crime, that's why you're out there trying to defend him. thanks, gerald, you'll be on another show before you know it, thanks. we'll be back in a minute.

i'm back with my panel. we're fog about the aemged extortion plot against david letterman. what do you think of what the lawyer said and what do you think is going to happen now? >> i think we're actually excited about the screen play. >> i think they're ticked off because it's not really what th -- this is david letterman starring in it like the late shift. but i want to play the pissed

off wife. i really want to play that. i can do that one, don't you think? >> actually david letterman will be tricky, they could go with david letterman, but she was terrible in "cabin boy." >> i think that nicole kidman can do incredible things with prosthetics. >> who's she going to play, letterman? >> i would like to nominate russell crowe for halderman. >> for halderman, rick sanchez with a goat tee. >> he's got the look, but the character's a little more one-eyed willie. >> do you think this is going to shoot letterman's numbers through the roof? it's like the o.j. trial, and letterman will be on his show.

>> they will be simulcasting the late night -- the late show on true tv. it will be amazing. but he's doing great. >> letterman's doing very well. but do you think it's attached to this? >> this is the best thing that could have happened to him, this screen play idea, because now it seems even more silly and that he's even more the victim. >> do you think -- i think that now that people have had time to process it and now that this has come out it's the second wave of people feeling, oh, now i feel kind of bad for dave. >> the "today" show is adding a fifth hour just to cover this and they don't cover the blackmail angle at all. >> it will be on until midnight the next day. >> kathy lee griffin, she'll have another show. she'll have a show at like 5:00 in the afternoon. so this guy, it's interesting,

this shardel guy, he says he's anxious to cross examine letterman. what's that about? is he just another egomaniac who's looking for another dig? >> he wants a show. >> everybody wants a show. carrie prejean is going to get a show, sarah palin will get a show, but i already have a show. >> they can have a show and it will be like "three's company." >> thanks you guys, very nice to have you here, we'll be right back.

black friday is coming and we'll all be out charging up our credit cards, but for the 25 million who are compulsive spenders, black friday is every day. how do you know if you're a shopaholic, if you spend so much money on home furnishings that you actually lose the house, you have an addiction. the founder of the the shulman center for theft and spending. and anjelica's very distraught mother lisa.

let's start with terry, how do you know to the difference between a person who just likes to shop a lot, or a shopaholic, what's the difference really. >> like with any behavior whether it's drinking or eating or gambling, anything in moderation is fine, but when you begin to get obsessed with the behavior, when there's negative consequences attached that could be financial stress or debt, loss of time, arguments with family or loved ones about it. and just sometimes people literally do run out of room to put things. then you're talking about a behavior that is compulsive and pathological. >> on the one hand you're talking about somebody who collects a lot of stuff and has the house filled with stuff. on the other hand, if a person can afford to buy stuff, why are they a shopaholic if they have the money to pay for it? >> they may still be a functional shopaholic. you have functional alcoholics

who can get up every day and seem very functional. ing they may even have the space in their home to store it all, but if you look at what is really driving it, you'll often find that there is a drirve kind of emotion, there's a self-eggs steam issue or their lives are usually out of balance, relationships might be lacking, they might be losing time and energy in other directions of their life. but it ultimately is up to that person to decide when they have enough. >> here's a clip of anjelica from we, secret lives of women. >> after i go shopping t receipts will pile up. i have to empty it out. you have no idea how bulky it can get, this is probably for the last few months and these

are only the ones that i kept. >> what do you like to buy, anjelica? >> i don't discriminate, i like to buy boots. >> how many pairs of boots do you have? >> i would have to say 35 or more. >> what's up with the boots? >> i happened to watch that segment on women's entertainment tv and anjelica you mentioned to the camera crew that boots seemed to give you a sense of power. and what i find is a lot of people are shopping to get power and that's a very important thing for us all to feel, empowered. but can i ask you anjelica, how much is enough? >> how much is enough? >> 35, how much would be enough? >> enough is never enough. i mean i don't know how much is enough, i just -- i always find a reason for why enough isn't enough or why i need more or i have to go to this party and i

need a new pair, and boots, they go with everything and they're comfortable. >> honestly had given her the credit card for an emergency and she wasn't working and i'm a real controlling mom, i just want to know that they're safe. i got a discover card. and they were offering a nice pattern. and i said i'll get one in her name and one in my son's name. >> it was like a mon nay painting, so i got one for each of them. >> so you were attracteded to the card. >> now you know where i get it from. because she chose -- >> i gave them one and i said this is for gas for your car and god forbid an emergency. that's it, just for an emergency. >> what's your favorite thing to buy? we know anjelica is into the boots, what about you? >> really i buy clothes mostly,

but i just did purchase a new house so i have been shopping for couches and wall decor and comforters and things for my dogs, i like to buy things for my family and the people that i love too. >> we all love that. what's wrong with that, terry, come on? >> ali, hello, you and i have met before. >> hi, terrance. >> i hope things are going okay for you. can i ask you, are you finding yourself sliding back into overshopping and overspending again? >> hey, terry, i'll ask the questions. this is not a therapy session. >> oh, i thought it was. >> we'll do that later. >> go ahead. give me this last one. so if what you're asking, buying a home is a wonderful accomplishment, can we afford it and of course how we fill it up and how quickly we fill it up, everybody has individual values, but what we have seen collectively in our society is

people biting off more than they can chew and having to give up much of what they have worked hard to buy and filing for bankruptcy and home foreclosures so we're living in a new age where we have to really kind of come to grips with reality with want versus need. >> how much in debt are you ali? >> right now i'm about $17,000. a year ago, i was $21,000. >> i read somewhere they're now up to 29% interest rates. >> it's either bankruptcy or never, you know, continuing to pay these bills, pay these bills and you just don't get a break. >> ali, why do you think you compulsively shop like that. >> i think that i am self-conscious, clothes make me secure with the person i am. i feel better. i feel equal.

to the other people in the store, i feel great when i'm able to walk out with just as many, if not more bags than the person next to me. i love hearing the total is more than the person before me. it's definitely a lot of it is being insecure with myself. >> and anjelica, you have your own card right now and your bill came to over $400. that's what i heard from my spies. so your parents are out of work and you aren't working, who's going to pay the $400. >> i plan on getting a job to pay that off. >> what kind of job? >> at the mall. >> at the mall? that's like an alcoholic going into a bar. you can't go to the mall. >> now you understand my problem. my first job was armani exchange. i bought the stuff because i had a discount and you had to wear the clothes f s for uniforms.

>> i tried to teach her how you put some money in your savings and you pay your bills. i'm like where's your check? i spent it. >> you got to get a job. is this like a female disease? like diverticulitis? >> men do have this problem as well. almost as many men have this problem, they may buy different things. there are men who buy clothes and things like that too, but i have worked with a lot of male clients who maybe spend too much money on computers, electronic equipment, sportswear. >> they're not wasting their money on little tiny earrings and stuff. >> men can buy new cars that they can't afford or go out to eat too much. so men can overdo it too.

>> what's the worst case of shopaholic that you know and do i know that person? >> certainly we heard recently about nicholas cage, since we're talking about men, that was in the news recently about his multimillion dollar spending sprees, very kind of interesting behavior. but i worked with a few clirnts, one man in particular i have been working with ongoing for a couple of years. who bought about 200,000 in computer equipment. he was disabled and not employed. he's got a wife and a child with special needs and then when he got done with the computer equipment, he went on to the next hobby that cost tens of thousands of dollars. >> i want to hear about that in the next segment. because we want to talk about what cause this is. stay right there, more when we come back.

shopping is like definitely getting your next fix. it simulates the same kind of things that a drug would. it's definitely a high for me. >> we're back talking about shopaholics. ali, shopping is your drug, isn't it? >> it is. >> how does it feel? does it feel like you just took a drug? >> yes, it does. talking to people that have done drugs, it to me has the same

feelings, i think about it when i'm not shopping, i get nervous about it, it takes over my entire thought, it ruins my relationships, it literally runs everything around me when i go shopping and i feel great, it's a short high and then as soon as i'm done, i'm back down to the low because i realize that i didn't have that money, i shouldn't have spent that money. what am i going to do? how am i going to pay my bills? and i have got all these things in front of me that are a constant reminder? >> do you wear them? >> some of them i do, a lot of things in my closet still have tags on them from years and years ago. i'll sell the clothes back and i'll take the money and go back shopping again. >> it's kind of like a gambling addiction. it sounds a little bit like drugs and alcohol, it's a rush that you get. >> it's a lot like it for some

people. >> what do you think are the underlying reasons for a shopping addiction? >> ali realizes that she has had some insecurity with herself and her self-image. it's a bottomless pit, if you don't feel good about who you are, you can focus on your image in terms of looking good and having all the latest brands. it's a bottomless pit that drives you when you figure out where did that loss of self-esteem come from? >> it's hard to deal with because it's out there, there's slogans like when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping. and one of the stores has an advertising campaign and the shopping bags have "want it". like come in here and spend your money. it's like drug dealers these department stores. >> anjelica also mentioned wanting to feel powerful or

feeling empowered. and we know in her family life, her family's been out of work and people can use shopping to escape to help them feel good. and sometimes because of all these arguments you have been having with your mother lisa, in an inadvertent way we're looking for negative attention which is better than no attention at all. i would advise you as mother and daughter and go somewhere that doesn't involve being around a store or a mall. >> that's a hard one, because mothers and daughters like to go shopping together. >> a pedicure, a facial. >> some way to connect. >> go to a musical or something. >> is he making any sense? >> i don't know because part of my credit card bill this month is manicures and pedicures. >> a museum, how about a museum?

go see some paintings. >> her mail is personal and i'm not supposed to open it. and a bill came yesterday and i'm like oh, my god, it's $466, it's like three times a manicure and a pedicure. >> once a week, a manicure. >> i do that also, but i'm not a shopaholic. but you have to have the money to pay for it. let me explain, that's the bottom line of this conversation darling, if you have the money, you can do it. if you don't have the money, your mom's not going to pay for it? >> do you sit there and think about that manicure and pedicure weeks before you get. >> it they give me what they call a spa pedicure and they rub my legs and i love it.

but i can afford it. >> but a lot of shopaholics nay can't afford it. and it's not until somebody in their family dies, they lose their job, an illness, it's not until something like that happens that they realize that my spending habits are out of control. it takes over our every thought, it ruins our relationships, it ruins our self-esteem and our emotions. >> you said, terry said that it's got something to do with control, that you feel out of control, like and an rexic, very often, you'll hear that at anorexics, are all those similar? >> i'm not a specialist. but a lot of time the anorexic or the bulimic will be feeling a loss of control over relationships or circumstances in his or her life and the focus on eating or bingeing and purging or calorie intake, it

becomes an all consuming obsession. if for a moment in time, i can buy something and look perfect and project this image and feel like i'm on top of the hour. but as we know, it's fleeting. >> it's kind of like an anti-depressant in some ways. >> they want us to feel that if we don't buy this item, that we won't be keeping up with the jonesings. >> there is that elements that the advertisers are enablers and the parents that are enabling their children also. >> what should they do? i would like you to cure them now. >> i don't know about cure, but what they can do is admit that they honestly have a problem, see the writing on the wall, they are young enough and start enough now to really get serious help before it gets more

ingrained, get some counseling, go to groups like debtors anonymous, read books, medication, find friends and family who you can do things with that don't involve going to the malls or going to the store. there's got to be other interests that you have. >> the problem right now because of christmas, what are you supposed to do? should they not buy any gifts for anybody this year? >> i wouldn't go that far, but there's a lot of ways we can be creative with our gift giving, we can bartter, we can do favors for each other. a lot of americans are going to have to scale back out of necessi necessity. i encourage not to go to the stores very much during the holiday season, it's a real frenzy and we have two young ladies here who have a lot of potential. >> thanks, everyone, back in a minute with eliot spitzer's manhattan madam, talk about an addiction.

hello, ethics is the keyword here. with me to discuss this is kristen davis, not the kristin davis from ""sex and the city"" although she could if that city was albany. she's the madam who provided spitzer with his escorts, and she joins me now for an exclusive interview.

the guy goes to harvard and he's giving a speech on ethics. you wrote a letter objecting to all of this, tell me about it. >> initially i wrote a letter just addressing some very basic questions, i can't attend the conference because i'm on probation so i can't leave the city of new york. >> you were going to go there? >> i would have loved to. >> maybe just to hear it? >> maybe ask some questions, no one replied to my letter so i posted it on my blog. >> why is he doing this? is he trying to meet women or what? >> there's big money in the public speaking circuit. it's sad that he has some influence over the future ethics of any harvard student, of any student in general. i mean they even sold out. it's obviously an economic decision by harvard to increase

their bottom line he sold a lot of dictionatickets. >> you see some merit, however if we're going to listen to this man, then why don't we talk about the real issues? >> which are? >> corruption by a public official. obviously we can learn something from a public official who committed and covered up his crimes and who when he lied to the same public he promised to protect. >> he went around making examples out of the same escort establishments he was frequenting. that's what you're ticked off about. >> obviously we can learn something from him if we talk about the real issues, how we as an american public can question our public officials and talk about how he made some mistakes and how he can rectify them and let's not talk about wall street, why does he want to talk about wall street?

is biggest ponzi scheme in the history of the world happened under his nose. >> he's a dog, but he's a smart dog. the guy is not stupid. >> he doesn't need the money obviously. he had a very big bill at your agency. >> sure, sure and his father is a billionaire and he bought his way out jail. >> how often did he use the services that you provided by the way? >> weekly. >> was he a good tipper? >> he was actually a good tipper. >> why is it that the johns never get into trouble. >> johns never get into trouble because in this country we promote inequality amongst the sexes so the women get in trouble and go the jail. >> what do you say to people that's the pot calling the kettle black in your case. >> hey, i served my time. >> what do you do now? >> i'm working on it's a nonprofit to promote

legalization of prostitution. >> i love that, thanks kristen and thank you for watching. good night, everybody, good night, elliott.

breaking news tonight, live, north carolina. a 5-year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa. 5:30 a.m. one hour later, the baby is

gone. how does a 5-year-old girl go missing from her own sofa? the child wearing nothing but a t-shirt and underwear, her little blanket, shaniya's favorite blanket found, discarded. covered in feces in the neighbor's trash. bombshell tonight, an arrest goes down. who else? the mother's boyfriend. that's right, the live-in. but even with an arrest, still no sign of shaniya. cops still don't know whether she's dead or alive or where she is. a tipster spots the boyfriend driving away with the 5-year-old. time line, critical. that time line will reveal whether mommy's covering for the live-in. this after a neighbor tells us she hears loud banging 3:00 a.m. that was the same morning shaniya goes missing. tonight, where is 5-year-old shaniya? >> are you clarence d. coe. >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why here sir? >> no, but i'm not guilty. >> police have arrested a suspect in the disappearance of a 5-year-old, shaniya davis. though, still no sign of her.

police in fayetteville, north carolina say they took clarence coe into custody. he's charged with first degree kidnapping. >> sir, the state of north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th, 2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of shaniya davis and terrorizing antoinette davis, do you understand that? >> i understand. >> sir, i must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a "c," class-c felony. you could get 261 months in prison. do you understand that? and tonight, live to oregon in the disappearance of a gorgeous young satellite tv sales woman. mother of two.

jayme sue austin? she calls her mom to say her water is on the blink. wants to shower at mom's. fine. noon, the workplace calls. mom to ask, where's jayme? she never made it to work. mom races home to find daughter's car still in the driveway. the shower used. signs in the bathroom of a struggle. tonight, we learn clues uncovered in the home. jayme's mother with us live. the tonight, where is 31-year-old jayme sue austin? >> stunning details emerge in the search of missing mother of two say jayme sue austin. jayme's mom says many potential clues left behind in her bathroom. a wet rug and freshly vacuumed floor.

a folded rug on the counter. >> i called another friend. he called me back just a few minutes later and said her car was in my driveway. someone had been in my bathroom. the sheriff's office. because of what the bathroom looked like they've listed it as suspicious you know as a crime. >> perhaps most disturbing, a necklace jayme really like found broken inside the vacuum. her mom says jayme wouldn't have thrown the necklace away. she would have given to her mom to fix instead. investigators expanding their search trying to find jayme in the crucial 72-hour time window. how does someone take a shower just disappear? >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, north carolina. a 5-year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. now, mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa. 5:30 a.m. why? why do you leave your child alone on a sofa 5:30 a.m.? one hour later, the baby gone. a 5-year-old goes missing from her own sofa? little shaniya's favorite blanket covered in feces found

discarded in the neighbor's trash. bombshell tonight, an arrest goes down. but we still don't know where shaniya is or even if she's dead or alive. >> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court appointed lawyer. >> you have already completed an affidavit, sir. i have reviewed the affidavit and it appears that you're eligible for a court-appointed attorney. and i'm going to appoint a member of the public defender staff to represent you. do you understand what i'm doing, sir? >> yeah. >> do you have a public defender helping you on any other matter in this county at the present time, sir. >> no, i don't have any other charges. >> police in fayetteville, north carolina have made an arrest in the disappearance of a

5-year-old girl. little shaniya davis reported missing tuesday morning from her mobile home. well, now witnesses tell police her mom's boyfriend, clarence coe, was seen driving off with her. the 30-year-old is charged with first-degree kidnapping, but again, still no sign of little shaniya. >> you have an additional right and that is the right to remain silent. do you understand that, sir? >> yes, i do. >> this concludes your first appearance. your new court date is december 2nd. do you have any questions? >> no, i don't. >> did you see him rolling his eyes in court? just a couple of hours ago? he's charged, formally charged with a kidnap of this 5-year-old little girl, shaniya. and he rolls his eyes, and says he doesn't have a question? well, i got some questions for him, but tonight i'm going to have to settle for ken smith, reporter with wral, joining us there on the scene in

fayetteville, north carolina. ken, tell me the latest. >> well, here's what we know. 30-year-old clarence coe, he's got a record. he has a sorted past dating back eight years. he apparently a few years ago already served time in jail for -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. wait a minute. i'm very interested in his resume, ken, but can you start with this little girl, for pete's sake, please. what can you tell me? >> yeah. >> i mean, he gets arrested and we still don't know if she's dead or alive? >> absolutely. and this disappearance of this little girl has just devastated this community. we've talked to neighbors today. they cannot believe that this could happen to this 5-year-old little girl. they're apparently not get anything information out of clarence coe. they're reinterviewing witnesses out of that mobile home park. now that coe is behind bars. they're hoping that people will start coming up out with information that they were not willing to share initially. they're going back now to

interview those people, because now that he's in jail, they're thinking, well, maybe they will give up some of that information, nancy. >> joining us gurnal scott. they arrest the guy, to my understanding, based on a report from somebody in that area, somebody in that residential area neighborhood that saw him leaving in his car with the girl. one question, gurnal scott, yes, no? do we know what time they placed the child in the car with the defendant? >> caller: the answer to that as far as police are saying, they're not giving up that information. so, no, we do to the know exactly what time that. >> so the answer is, no. and you know where i'm going with that, marlaina schiavo. if somebody could tell me the time that they see this man right there on the screen with this little girl in his car,

then i will know if mommy is lying because mommy says to police, i put the baby on the sofa at 5:30 a.m. why she left the child unattended, i don't know. at 6:30 a.m. she says she notices the child is gone. so unless he had the child between 5:30 and 6:30, then mommy's time line is way out of whack, marlaina schiavo. >> that's right, nancy. and what we're trying to find out from police is who saw these two in the and where was shaniya in this car? and police said about the mother, they have not cleared her, nancy. so they are asking her about this time line. they're trying to figure out exactly when they were driving out of the mobile park community. >> got it. i want to go to special guest joining us tonight barbara davenport. she is the park manager who rented the home to shaniya's family.

mr. davenport, thank you for being with us. >> caller: hi. good to be here. >> what can you tell us about this clarence coe, the suspect in the disappearance of little shaniya? >> caller: i had very little contact with mr. coe other than two instances where i had to tell him to stay off of the property and during the second instance he became very confrontational and when he got out of his vehicle, i thought he was going to assault me. >> ms. davenport, why were you telling him to stay off the property? i'm very intrigued with that. >> caller: because he came in violating the park rules. and when i told him he was violating the park rules and to please not do it again, he became rude and disrespectful and belligerent so at that point

i said, fine, if that's how you want to be, i do not want you this property again. >> what was he doing to break the rules? >> caller: and that's fine with me. i won't come back. >> ms. davenport, what was he doing to break the rules? >> caller: he was playing his car stereo very loud. >> just what you don't want to hear when you get home from work is somebody with their boom box playing outside. >> caller: boom, boom, boom, vibrating your walls, yes. >> but obviously he did get back in. how often did he stay in the home with shaniya davis and her mother? >> caller: now that i have no idea. i only encountered him one time after that. and that was when the confrontation got kind of ugly. and i did call the police. >> are you clarence d. coe? >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first-degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why you're here today, sir. >> no, but i'm not guilty, sir. >> sir the state of north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th,

2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of shaniya davis and terrorizing.

shaniya davis was kidnapped from this mobile home on sleepy hollow drive in fayetteville. police believe clarence coe is the one who did it. >> are you clarence d.coe? >> yes, sir.

>> you are charged with first-degree kidnapping, this is your first appearance, do you understand why you're here today sir? >> no, but i'm not guilty. >> a witness says they saw coe driving off with the girl, they won't give any insight as to how coe knew the victim or the family. >> we're getting i guess very differing stories constantly. so we're trying to piece together the truth of the situation and what was going on at the time. >> the girl's mother previously told police she put shaniya on the couch in their mobile home around 5:00 on thursday morning. an hour later she says the girl was gone. but then a neighbor says that someone placed the little girl's blanket in her garbage can. >> from what i was told there was feces spread all over that porch and rail at the little girl's house. and this blanket was covered in feces. >> one fact remains, shaniya

davis is missing. >> straight out to ken smith with wral. what happened? >> i'll tell you what, coe walked into court. he was rolling his eyes. showed no emotion. when the judge asked him if he understood the charges he was facing, he initially said, no, i'm not guilty, and that's all i have to say about it. but of course once he said that the judge laid out charges for him. he's facing charges of kidnapping and for terrorizing antoinette davis which is shaniya's mom and she's somebody that investigators are paying attention to because investigators are telling us that over the last several days she's given them conflicting reports about how her little girl went missing, nancy. >> wait, wait. back it up. ken smith, the mother's changed her story? >> absolutely. initially she told investigators that she put the child on the couch at 5:00 a.m., an hour later the child was gone. witnesses telling police tonight

that at 3:00 a.m., she heard a wrestling in her garbage can and that's where they found that blanket that's now into evidence. so for the last several days investigators have been talking with antoinette davis, and still not getting any information so they're trying to sort through her different stories and all of the tips and leads that they're getting to hopefully get to the truth, nancy. >> right, of course they are. out to dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "dealbreakers." she's joining us from l.a. bethany, take a listen to this. >> karen, are you ever surprised, i always lost no matter how many times it happened, i'm trying to remember one time a mother sided with the dead or molested or abused child over the husband or boyfriend and i'm not remembering out of ten years of felony prosecution a single time the mother sided with the child. >> well, nancy, i think you're

right about that. >> out to bethany, why? why? i'm hearing from ken smith, reports that the mother has changed her story several times about the disappearance of her 5-year-old girl. everybody, look at this girl. look at her. look at shaniya. 3 feet, 40 pounds. beautiful, brown eyes, brown hair. thin build. she was wearing a blue sleep t-shirt and pink underwear. no shoes. the little thing didn't even have any shoes. the tip line is 910-433-1856. $100,000 reward. when i think of little lucy or little john david out there with no shoes on, a t-shirt and an underwear, what do you make of this mother? >> nancy, she knew that her boyfriend had a criminal history. he was once in jail and she allowed this perpetrator into her home with her children. i believe that it's either a

possibility she was more attached to him than her own children. nancy, there's a possibility that she and her boyfriend beat the little girl and because of traumatic abuse that's why there's feces all over the blanket and all over the back porch and she solicited the boyfriend to take the little girl away because the little girl was dead. >> as of tonight the mother is not charged. just this man, clarence darrell coe. we'll be back with marc klaas. >> what do you want to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed attorney. >> you have already completed an affidavit, sir. i have reviewed the affidavit. and it appears that you're eligible for a court-appointed attorney. and i'm going to appoint a member of the public defender's staff to represent you. do you understand what i'm doing, sir. >> yup.

you have an additional right, and that is the right to remain silent. do you understand that, sir? >> yes, i do. >> you should not speak about the facts of this case with anyone unless it is an attorney who is properly representing you. >> i know. >> if you speak with anyone else, sir, it'll be used against you in a court of law. you do not want to talk with anybody about this unless it is your attorney. do you understand your rights including your right to remain silent? >> yes, i do. >> all right, sir. this concludes your first appearance. your new court date is december 2nd. do you have any questions. >> no, i don't.

>> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed lawyer. >> i guess you are getting a court-appointed lawyer and i've got to pay for it. unleash the lawyers. john burris, defense attorney renowned in the san francisco area and throughout. and paul bautista. a veteran trial lawyer. defense attorney in the new york jurisdiction. author of "death's witness." good evening, gentlemen. first to you, burris. yeah, i'm paying the bill, for him. and while he's getting two hots in a cot, tonight his breakfast is cold. he's not even telling police where the little girl is, john burris? now if you were his defense attorney, would you advise him to tell where the child is? ah if he's not telling, that means one thing to me, she's dead. >> well, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. right now he's been charged and so the first thing we have do is

figure out what happened. what his story is. i wouldn't advise him to talk to the police at all until after i've had a real thorough conversation with him about what he knows and doesn't know. right now the evidence, probably isn't all that great against him. it seems to me he ought to -- >> yeah, there's only an eyewitness spotting him leaving that morning. >> you don't know how good that eyewitness is. you don't than yet. that person hasn't been tested. we don't know what time this was seen yet. >> you are right, paul bautista. i guess that you and burris would attack the witness on the stand. >> of course. >> you didn't have your glasses on? but forget that. what i want to does you is knowing that he may very well know where the child is or where her body is, you would advise him not to speak to police. yes, no, bautista? >> of course. he's a defendant in a criminal case, a judge has told him he's exposed to 240 years in jail. do you think he's going to tell you anything? of course not. it's his right to remain silent, nancy.

>> we're treating this as she's endangered, she was abducted. we're taking of the utmost importance and seriousness. so we're aggressively look for her.

are you clarence d. coe? >> yes, sir. >> mr. coe, you are charged with a felony of first-degree kidnapping. this is your first appearance. do you understand why you're here today, sir? >> no but i'm not guilty, sir. that's all that i have to say about that. >> sir, the state of the north carolina alleges that on or about the date of november 10th, 2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of shaniya davis and

terrorizing antoinette davis. do you understand that? >> i understand. >> sir, i must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a "c," class-c felony. you think get 261 months in prison. do you understand that? >> what are you going to do about an attorney in your case? >> i'll go with court-appointed lawyer. >> straight out to marc klaas, the president and founder of klaaskids. marc, it's not look good and the fact that he is under arrest, having last been seen with the little girl, don't know when. i cannot get a time line out of police when that neighbor saw him driving off in his own car with her. we still don't know if she's dead or alive or where she is. that does not bode well. >> well no, it doesn't bode well and i don't think that tell this character not to say anything.

i don't think that he intends to speak one word to anybody about this case. the weak link is obviously the mother. what exactly are these conflicting stories of hers? how exactly is it that she puts the little girl down at 5:00 in a house full -- with six other people. and five other people. and is able to fall asleep to the point that she doesn't notice somebody else, comes in, gets the little girl within the next hour. none of this stuff makes sense. if they're going to break this case, she's probably the weak link and the one that they're going to use to break it. >> liz, let's show the shots. the new shots that we have of little shaniya. the tip line, everyone, 910-433-1856. there is a chance this child is still alive. take a look. straight out to bethany marshall. bethany, explain to me your thoughts on the mom. now, i think that klaas is correct. they're not going to crack coe behind bars. >> no. >> this is not his first time

around the block. he's been behind bars on several occasions. he knows not to talk. she's not the same. if i were the cops, i would be honing in on her to crack her. >> i agree. because like most women who allow men to abuse their children, her primary loyalty is going to be the abuser. was their history domestic abuse in this household? the neighborhood it's neighbor heard a huge commotion around 3:00 in the morning. the mother and the boyfriend arguing and the little girl got caught up in the fight. was he abuse the little girl and he tried stop her? was there ritualistic abuse being performed against the child and then they had to get rid of her. >> i want to go out to dr. leigh vinocur at the university of maryland, school of medicine. dr. vinocur, thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> doctor, this is not a pleasant question, but we do know her favorite blanket was found crammed in the neighbor's dumpster covered in feces.

now obviously there may be a way to identify bodily fluids and determine if it is from shaniya but my question to you is, assuming the child potty trained, what would make her poop like that? would it be from -- could it be from an intense beating or from some type of an abuse? >> speculating it possibly could be from a beating. was it from sexual abuse? or did she just have an accident and they used her favorite blanket as a form of punishment and then maybe beat her too badly. i mean it's really hard to say. >> well, you know, you brought up a good point. dr. vinocur. because if she had been -- i will give the mom at benefit of the doubt. if she had been lying there on the sofa, maybe she was lying on her favorite -- or with her favorite blanket and had an

accident. so maybe that is the best it's most innocent explanation that i could come up for that. >> true. but even in those instances if a situation of either domestic violence or child abuse, sometime when a child has an accident, the abuser just goes into a rage and you know possibly harms the child too violently but it's hard to speculate without much evidence right now. >> back to ken smith, with wral. ken, what can you tell me about alleged, conflicting statements by the mommy? give it to me in a nutshell. >> i'll tell you what, she's saying that she put the child down at 5:00 a.m. and an hour later, she -- the child disappeared. investigators aren't saying what those conflicting stories are just they are conflicting and they're trying to gets to the truth. >> gurnal scott, what do you know? >> caller: well, you have to look at the time line. you heard the commotion at about

3:00 a.m. the child was put on the couch at 5:30 a.m. none of us know what happened in that time frame in between. so they're looking at these stories and trying to make it fit together so they can actually find out what happened to this little girl. >> to bill majewski. former nypd detective. now at majewski associates inc. what do you advise cops to do right now? >> the key is this witness who saw him walk away with the child. what was the condition of the child -- >> drive away. drive away. >> drive away. what was the condition the child when he drove away? was the child awake? was he carryings child? was the child wrapped up in the blanket? and the key is this blanket was thrown away. if it was an accident, more likely than not the mother would have taken it and washed it. they got rid of that blanket because that blanket had some kind of evidence on it that could attach a crime to those two people and that's why their blanket was thrown away. >> majewski, you are so correct. and in all of the times i've washed the twins' clothes, their blankets, their sheets very

often in the middle of the night i never think of throwing them away, i wash them. you are so correct, bill majewski. back to you, marlaina schiavo. what more can you tell me? you've been in touch with police all day. >> i have and what they're telling us right now, nancy, is they're going over -- they're reinterviewing a lot of people that they have spoken to, going over areas that they've already searched and this surveillance video from the mobile home park. they're still going through all of the footage and they're concentrating on that morning, specifically, of you know the time line of when the video caught people walking around. >> right. everyone, tip line, 910-433-1856. we'll all be right back. but tonight, the n.g. family album. now, here are some our photos. our favorites. these are the twins, lucy and john david, after their birth. there's lucy in the laundry basket and little john david on my side of the bed all propped up for a photo. now photos from friends.

here's 3-year-old pennsylvania twins, brianna and brooklyn hugging in their pink peejays at bedtime and kansas friends of the show, the hardings. jordan, susie. casey. burton, matt, evan, reid, and doggie dog nell at their favorite pumpkin patch.

jayme always punctual to work. she called her job to tell them she'd be running a few minutes late because she couldn't get water at her house. she called her mother just a few doors down and asked to use her shower. but jayme never made it to work. and is never heard from again. >> as frantic search for missing mom jayme sue austin emerges. mom cindy gisholt. >> caller: someone had taken a shower. the carpet was wet clear out to my counter, you know the counter on the other side of the room. it was quite wet, yes.

>> jayme's prized puka shell necklace found not on the counter but inside the canister of a vacuum. what happened? >> i suspect something's up. i don't know. is this too unusual for her. >> investigators continue to question scores of witnesses as the search by land, air and water continues. >> i will go to my reporters in just a moment but first jayme's mother. jayme sue austin, age 31. a beautiful mother of two. her mom is with us. this girl literally vanishes out of the shower. with us tonight, special guest, the mother, jayme sue's mother, ms. cindy grisholt. thank you for being with us. it's my understanding after you and i spoke last night. your daughter calls you earlier in the morning. she never misses work. she's a satellite tv sales lady. says my water is on the blink. can i go down the street take a shower at your place? you go, sure. you're already gone. then her place of business calls

you around noon and says, where is she? then you go looking for her. you know something's wrong. and then you get a phone call. you're out looking up and down roadways that her car is parked at your house. what are police telling you that you can share with us? i know you've been extremely tight-lipped and i understand but what can you share with us, anything? >> caller: you know i really don't have anything to update to date that i didn't let you guys know about yesterday. everyone's still out searching. you know your show has been tremendous to get the word out. you know the newspapers, word of mouth, friends and family. just getting the word out that she's missing. we've got posters -- >> well, i just don't understand it, ms. gisholt. what time did you least home that morning? >> caller: 7:00. >> so you leave the home 7:00. what time did she call you? >> caller: you know i think it

was probably around -- it was between 8:00 and 8:30. you know maybe 8:15. i'm not positive. >> now at her job, did she go door-to-door? did she serve people that came into the office? did she make cold calls on the phone? what was the nature of her business? >> no she was strictly inside sales. >> okay. so she dealt with sales there in the office. all right, i'm just trying to think. so she went to work typically at what time, ms. gisholt? >> caller: she worked different hours at different times, days of the week. but normally i think 9:00 to 6:00. >> okay. so she calls you. wakes up. her water's not working. she calls you. you were there at 7:00. everything was fine. she was alive and well, 8:00 to 8:30. coming to your place. and then all of a sudden by noon she's gone. i want to go to stacey newman. stacey, ms. gisholt,

understandably, is not sharing everything that she knows from police. but stacey, what have you learned from your sources? what have we learned about clues inside the home, stacey? >> well, we told you last night that there were signs a struggle in that bathroom. that obviously was wet. now heres what we're hearing now. >> wait. no, no, nobody told me obviously, wet. don't just jump ahead. what do you mean, obviously wet? >> well, we reported last night that the shower had been used. >> right, that's not the bathroom. you said the bathroom's wet. >> and the carpet is soaked as well. >> put newman back up there. you are telling me the carpet is wet. that tells me that the water came out of the shower for i don't even know for how long. because if the carpet's still wet at 12:00 noon, that's not just her stepping outs of the shower, wet from the shower, all right? that is the water coming down on the carpet which she would not have done at her mother's bathroom. what else, stacey? the carpet's wet?

>> the carpet's wet. also a throw rug was folded on the counter. we also have learned as well the bathroom was completely vacuumed. and in the vacuum canister, jayme's favorite shell necklace. alarming clues, nancy. >> now, her necklace, why do you say it was her favorite necklace? >> well, this was a necklace that she wore so many times and even when it would fall apart a puka shell necklace. >> right the little white shells? >> correct. when it would fall apart she would ask her mom to restring it that's how much she loved this necklace. why was it in pieces on the floor at some point it had been vacuumed. that is also an alarming clue, nancy. >> okay, this is what's disturbing me, marc klaas, right now in addition to everything, marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. his expertise is missing people. marc. >> yes. >> whoever vacuumed up that

sopping wet carpet in the bahama felt that there was no rush, they had plenty of time to vacuum, to clean 7, to fold up the rug and put it away. now we know she, the victim would not have vacuumed up her own necklace. she would not have done that. she would have put it back together like she did every other time. so the perpetrator obviously felt that he had time to clean up after himself. he was in no danger of anybody coming home. now who would know that, marc klaas? who would know that? >> someone who is familiar with the routines of the home is somebody who would know that. first i would like to tell cindy to stay strong because she's going to be jayme's strongest advocate throughout this and needs to continue to take care of herself so she can see this thing through to the end. i am really kind of stuck on this scenario that was built out last night about the stalker. that somebody was so obsessed with this young lady that he would go in multiple times and change the settings on her social networking accounts and

that this was something that really concerned her because this kind of obsession can become very dangerous and it can become very deadly. i really believe that probably the least likely scenario, because it's such a remote location, would be the out-of-town stranger. again, this is one that is probably very close to home. and if they can't find her in the immediate area, perhaps they're able to pick up a tire print and follow that to wherever she may end up -- may end up being. >> to the lawyer, john burris, paul bautista. it seems to me to be an easy thing to backtrack and fine out who is calling her. >> you would think so. i'm like marc though. i think this is someone who knew her, knew her routine. had some real interest in her. you cannot go to some one house and help clean it up and vacuum unless you really know something. >> a tiny, a tiny crease in that.

this wasn't her home and this wasn't her routine. >> but -- >> she didn't go and take a shower at her mother's house every morning. >> knew something about her. that's what i am saying. >> what about it, bautista. >> clearly someone she knew, someone close to home. someone who would even know her mother's habits. they were living in the same community. marc is absolutely right on this issue. >> bethany? i've got bethany marshall with me. >> stalkers stalk complete strangers sometimes, somebody they have seen in the store, in the grocery store and they have developed a fixation on them. the m.o. of stalking is to go after the victim to undo the perception perception. she locked him out. she changed her cell phone. that could be the moment of rejection. so what does he do? he changes the mode of stalking and he starts surveilling her home. he knows her comings and goings. and when she goes to her mother's house, she is in a vulnerable position and he strikes. >> to cindy gisholt, this is

jayme sue austin's mother. ms. gisholt, when this guy, we think it's a guy, right, would call her and call her and call her. does she have even -- even a suggestion as to who was? any suggestion as to who it was? >> no. how serious it is, i hear you people talk, but to her it was kind of like geez, i have a stalker. >> i would take it seriously if someone hacked into my e-mail. >> that's when she did take it serious. >> to laurie tobias, what more can you tell us? >> i think i reported pretty much everything that i have uncovered on today's story. the necklace, the folded towel, the wet carpet. the cell phone left behind. she left her dog and her cat in her bedroom and had the cell phone with her.

cindy said she tried to call the cell phone as i report and it goes to voice mail that tells cindy it's turned off. i know they are continuing to search and they are searching the mountain about 50 miles west. i 1er what they know that led them there. >> did you say mountain? >> yes.

details for the mother of two, jamie sue austin. many clues were left behind including a wet rug and freshry vacuumed floor. the throw rug on the counter. trying to find jamie in the 72 hour time window. >> back to our producer on the story, do we have an idea who police have questioned? >> we don't have names, but they are zeroing in on the people close to her. the car in the driveway was found with the windows down and car keys on the floor as well.

again, something must have terribly gone wrong. >> another question. about her boyfriend, have we confirmed that he is in fact overseas right now with his job. >> that are is what we hear. cops are not confirming that, but that's what we are hearing and he has been confirmed to be in alaska. >> that's correct, right? >> actually he is a commercial fisherman in the bearing sea. >> the answer would be yes he is over seas with his job? >> i confirmed it with his employer. >> marc klaas, this has to be someone who knows her very well and followed her that morning. it's not somebody just hanging around the mom's house and this is a random act. >> and she's a grown woman. i find it very difficult to

understand how this character could have attacked her in the bathroom as it seems happened and then get her outside without a huge struggle ensuing. it's very difficult to control an individual that doesn't want to be controlled, particularly an adult individual. >> everyone, tip line, 541-396-3121, extension 371. let's stop and remember army first lieutenant kevin gaffers, 26, from nebraska, killed iraq. a university of nebraska lincoln grad. defense service medal and remembered as humble, dedicate and loved army, sports, hunting, fishing and time with friends. leaves behind parents and sisters. american hero. thanks to to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. a special thank you to friend of

the show, lori for these beautiful pajamas for the twins and thank you to tennessee south carolina friends of the show with us for the cookies book and all the berren stain bears book. see you tomorrow night. until then, good night, friend. . this is the "showbiz tonight" news break. here's what's coming up at the top of the hour. carrie prejean blows her stack on live tv. the must see video of her threatening to walk out on "larry king live." an exclusive with donald trump's response to carrie's tantrums.

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